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Steve (193.110.107.251) -

Anyone know anything about Clifford Estates outside of Panyu?

Reply #1 Robert (81.152.34.159) -

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into the heart of the real China, read -

FOREIGN DEVIL

a novel by Robert Warne.

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(The foreign devil in question is on a first tentative

date with his beautiful young Chinese girlfriend.)

As we wandered and chatted, I got a strong feeling that fate was leading us on. A full moon came out from behind the last of the departing silvery clouds. Our desultory meandering led us straight to the deserted lakeside boathouse and soon I was rowing her across the smooth, silent water past pavilions and ghostly tree silhouettes, under mock-antique Chinese arches and nine-corner bridges. The scenery was almost too clichéd to be true, just like the gardens on a willow pattern plate. I stopped under some overhanging branches and together we admired the low moon’s brilliant shimmering reflection on the glistening black lake surface. Nature seemed to be doing her best to imitate cheap romantic fiction and urging me to take up the role of the strong, masterful hero. Again I heard that wicked voice in my head telling me,

“You’ll never get a better chance than this! Make your move now!”

I inched along our seat and put my arm around Angela’s waist, even though I knew full well that such early advances were not the done thing in China. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I merely placed my arm behind her, for we were barely touching, but after a few moments of uncertainty I realised I had made a cataclysmic blunder. She froze like she had been struck dead, and through the corner of my eye I could see that she was staring down in mute consternation at the bottom of the boat.

Reply #2 Jonathan (59.41.222.217) -

yes, it is a very nice place, i live in Clifford.

I work in GZ...the private bus from Clifford to GZ takes 20 min and cost me .80 USD a day

Reply #3 Peter (219.137.127.125) -

Hi,

been here a cuple of months and it suits me fine - 3 squash courts, gym is always empty, shops plentiful and reasonable - plus, as it's a gated community, VERY safe. Kind of a family feel, so pretty dead at night (apart rom the dozen restarants nearb) - need to take he 50 min bus ride to GZ for evening entertainment - but, after a hard day working in filty GZ, Clifford is a welome andrelaxig change

Reply #4 Renato (219.136.2.165) -

We live here in Clifford since June 20, 2004. We purchased an apartment in the Horizon place. We like here very much. Only worry is that the number of habitants is growing faster than the infrastructure...

Need a larger Supermarket and more parking areas. Is becoming quite crowded there. Wait until the new additions start to be open.

renato

Reply #5 wan (70.73.84.188) -

wonder if there is any bus to the Guangzhou Baiyun airport?

Thanks.

Reply #6 stephen hil (116.21.228.103) -

hi my names stephen

lived on clifford for 6months and lookin for work

was a coal miner for 22years in england

so lookin to do any kind off work realy

from workin at school or anything so if anyone could help

would be great

Reply #7 Lynn (1) from Guangzhou(Canton), China (Contact Member) -

Hello,

Doing recearch about how many forergners living in Clifford, Panyu, Guangzhou.

Anything here or have idea about how many, please leave a message.

Thank you.

Enjoy your time.

Reply #8 lily (116.21.243.80) -

oh, i live in the clifford of panyu, china.

welcome to make friend with same living place!

Reply #9 Martn (58.152.208.208) -

I am considering taking up a new job that required me to stay in Pan Yu. Any updates on information about Pan Yu Clifford regarding rental price for apartment (2 bed rooms), living condition, etc. Much appreciated.

Reply #10 Kristi & Ian MaGee (122.109.146.104) -

My Husband and I are looking for an appartment to rent for between 1 to 3 months in Clifford Estate from July.

We last stayed in Clifford in October to December 2005.

At that time we rented a 2 Bedroom furnished unit, and wish to have something similar to this again.

Could anyone that knows of any reasonably priced units that would be available at this time please contact us on kristina@leyline.com.au with the relevent information.

Thankyou.

Reply #11 Jason (59.41.250.215) -

I live in Clifford, I'm going home next month and got some things I need to get rid of.

100's of dvd 2rmb each

75 gallon acrylic fish tank with stand and equipment 2years old bouth from the wholesale market for 1600rmb, will let it go for 400rmb

also inside the tank now are 3 beautiful red oscars, bout them for 60rmb each will take 10 each

3, 3 year old piranhas bought for 250rmb each at dime size, not the range from 8 to 9 inches, have allready bred once steal at 250 each

Kareoke machine, very nice 100RMB with all mics and speakers

amp for bass guitar 25rmb

great sounding computer speakers with sub-woofer 30rmb

various other objects

contact me by email if interested

Reply #12 shely (116.21.254.169) -

Hi

Where do you get the household items and american groceries titled in english. any ideas abt the non-toxic cleaning product brands . Baby items and also stores for buying dressers , buffet etc but not ikea. thanks. anyone learning chinese? how???

Reply #13 Lesp (154.20.52.56) -

Hello.

Can someone tell me what but to take to leave Clifford Estates and go Kecun ?

I think there is one way to take a bus direct to Ketcun and

the other way is to take a bus to a closer Metro station then take the Metro Line ??

Does anyone know what bus numbers or loading bays one must take ?

Reply #14 Jenny (116.21.254.112) -

To" Shely #12,

Hi, have you tried JUSCO at TeeMall or METRO? They have better selection of imported stuff. We've been to Metro in Huangpu Dadao/ Keyun Lu, next to it is B&Q (kind like Home Depot in US) and Kinhom - a big furniture store.

We took bus 10A from Clifford to subway and Tiyu Xi Lu is where you stop for JUSCO, to go to METRO/ B&Q you can take subway to Pazhou and taxi for about Y15, -

Hope this help.

Reply #15 Laura and Kris (116.21.252.90) -

Hi

Myself and my boyfriend live in Clifford and are very happy here.

I would like to do some teaching work, kindergarten, private tutoring etc and my boyfriend is looking to do golf coaching.

Please if anyone knows of anyone who may be interested in either or please contact.

Reply #16 david (121.202.252.255) -

Dear all

anybody knows a good pricate tuto who can teach english (verbal)for a quick intensive course for a chinese to learn english

Dear All

also wanted to know any pricate tutor who can teach to drive , prefer to have someone who has his own car to teach

regard

david

Reply #17 DVE MCNAMEE from (Contact Member) -

HI JASON THIS IS DAVE.

JUST MOVED INTO CLIFFORD WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR SALE.

KIND REGARDS

DAVID

020-34714213

Reply #18 Golfcoach from (Contact Member) -

Anyone has any comments about Clifford international school? Thinking of moving whole family 8 and 6 yrs old children to Clifford estate. Any general or specific comments are appreciated.

Thanks

Reply #19 Terry (116.22.149.175) -

I have been in China for two years and am on my first visit to GZ. I love this city. Can anyone give me suggestions about working here? I am an attorney in the states and teach English to university seniors in north/central China.

Thanks

Terry

Reply #20 Gerard. G (220.255.7.228) -

I live in Singapore and go to Panyu once in 2 mths to visit my factories which manufacturers furnishing for 5 star hotel and restaurants worldwide. I have an apartment at Clifford Estate. I would like meet more friends who enjoy good food, wine and conversation on travel and lifestyle during the evenings and weekends. My job takes me to many cities worldwide and I travel 70% of the year. Look forward to meeting you.

Reply #21 herbert buena (202.124.131.155) -

hi i'm herbert buena call me herb from the Philippines, i went to panyu and stayed at clifford estates where my relatives are renting a villa unit near clifford kindergarten school, If you need an English Tutor I'm available please email me at buena@newyork.usa.com, I'm available to relocate myself in clifford estates, right ow im working as a Customer service Team supervisor in an american call center in the philippines. if you have an available job any job will do, i can go to panyu at once.

Reply #22 Uguide.org from Uguide.org (Contact Member) -

you can take Clifford Tianhe or Hai Zhu Bus Line, they all come across Kechun, or you can take Bus line 10 go to Chang Long Metro station first, then go to Kechun interchange station by metro.

• Uguide.org, Your Good Hands in China

Reply #23 Travis Mitchell (116.21.233.154) -

Come June 15, 2009 I will be moving back to the United States. In addition I have to either move everything with me or sale it. So here is what I have for sale and the time period it was purchased. All interested parties please call me @ +8615915770440 I live in Panyu at Clifford Estates Buterfly Court. Thanks!

(1) 42" LCD TV Brand AOC paid 5500 rmb 4 months ago selling it for 4000 rmb with cherry oak stand

(1) HP Laptop DV2700 W/ fingerprint scanner purchased brand new @ Fortress in Hong Kong receipt is available.I purchased it 13 months ago for $1300 usd. Excellent, Excellent condition. You have to see this for yourself not one scratch on it. It has a built in web - cam. I have used this maybe 5 times recently after that I was given a HTC Ultra PC for gift from a friend. So no need for this one and also another one in the USA so too many you think! Included in this deal is:

* HP Laptop DV2700 with fingerprint Scanner

* Laptop Bag

* Wireless remote control

* Mouse

* (2) HP laptop wall chargers

* Laptop fan (2) fans one unit

* Philips Headset with mic excellent condition good to use with Skype

* Manuals, cleaning cloth and Original Purchase receipt

For a starting low price of 3400 rmb

-- Update: May 25, 2009 A buyer has offered me 6000 HKD because I have it listed for a higher price on other websites. Just trying to get the highest bid but at the same time not hurting for the money just less things to carry when I leave. I will take the higgest bid ending on wednesday May 27, 2009.

(2) Gree is the brand. Electric Portable Ceramic plates for cooking Purchased 3 months ago receipts available new 399.00 rmb each.

400 rmb for both box included

(1) set. Leather/PU Sofa set with Sofa, (2) end chairs with coffee table purchased in Panyu 3 months ago for 2000 rmb warranty for 1 year with receipt. The color is chocolate brown. Good condition no rips or scratches. Good condition!

Low price of 800 rmb

(1) Midea microwave oven purchased new 3 months ago seriously only used it 2 times also warranty for 1 year. Brand new 499.00 rmb

and

(1) Midea Mini baking oven purchased brand new with warranty for 1 year brand new 250 rmb

get both for 300 rmb

(1) Midea electric heater with remote control purchased brand new for 499 rmb about 5 months ago Brand new condition with the box and warranty. 250rmb

(1) Aquarium with filter and temperture gauge and tropical fish (2) purchased in Foshan brand new 1200 rmb with stand with 2 doors. Take all for 500 rmb. Also includes plenty of fish food, cleaner and other accessories.

EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!

Everything is Negotiable except LCD TV and Laptop.

TAKE EVERYTHING FOR ONLY 2, 250RMB ( Not including LCD TV & Laptop)

For pictures please email me at scoobydootreats@aol.com or call +8615915770440

Thanks!

Reply #24 Teacher 2006 (116.22.63.15) -

The housing is much better than it used to be when I first arrived. It used to be pretty bad, and that, too, caused many of us to leave. Now it is much better than before. The housing is situated in a part of Guangzhou that has less pollution that the rest of Guangzhou.

Shopping is easily available, but it is wise to avoid Clifford Hospital. Like many hospitals in China, they try to offer you an IV for almost everything, and the doctors don't seem to know what is in the IVs they are giving you. I was not there at the time, but I heard from another friend of mine that a teacher who is currently there got sick this school year and went to the hospital. From what I am told, he ended up so sick from the medicine that they gave him that the doctors wanted to operate on him for something they themselves had caused! He went elsewhere and found non-surgical treatment, as I am told, and that is good. It still cost him thousands of dollars, from what I am told.

Clifford Hospital is very close and convenient, but so is Dr. Death. The insurance Clifford School offers pretty much requires you to go to Clifford Hospital or another slipshod one or face a lack of coverage. Most wise people pass on it completely..

Some of the students are nice and do try their best. Some of the parents can be really awesome and supportive. The facilities are adequate, though the library is a tad too small.

The Bad I am writing a review of Clifford School in Guangzhou, China and one of its assistant principals there, Brad Zawodny. The school itself has a nice building and many nice staff members. The parents can be seriously out of control "helicopter parents, " and the administration lets them get away with far too much. On certain days they allow the parents to videotape everything. Many of them come equipped with phones, video cameras, the works. Some of them are nice, but when you try to do nice things for most of them, they just want more and more. There is seldom, if ever, an "enough." Many of them are simply never satisfied. The more you give, the more they want!

Many of the students there at Clifford School are sweet enough. However, a lot of the students fight, hit and punch others all the time. It's not worth the headache to ever work at that school. They just don't pay enough for what most people have to go through!

Since Clifford School has a very high turnover rate, new teachers are often in as soon as they are out, and the same is true with other staff. Many of the students fight, kick and punch each other all of the time. Some of the parents are supportive, but many are not. Many of them leave their children there at the school for a very long time (i.e.., 75%) and expect the teachers and teaching assistants to do everything for their children while they go off and pursue a career and/or hobbies.

What's worse, many of the students see their Chinese teachers as people to be taken seriously and the foreign ones as people to laugh at and ignore. Foreign teachers' classrooms are, to many of the students, seen as playpens of sorts, while they pay strict attention in their Chinese classes--or else!

Brad Zawodny is one of the assistant elementary school principals there. Brad’s not a bad guy. He's just not an effective communicator and holds grudges against people like you would not believe. I have seen him do that with many others, and I don't doubt that he still does it. It is unfortunate that he never really sees his own faults very often. You don't want to work under him or with him under any circumstances. I worked with him two years ago when he first started out but hear from others that he still has not changed.. Never work under him!

STAY AWAY FROM CLIFFORD SCHOOL IN GUANGZHOU, CHINA!!!

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